Hardest 11

[KingofLight06]

I agree with you, I find the jumping part at the 8th rhythm to be the toughest. I think it's an easy 11 myself. I was trying to state a generalization.......maybe

[Tyrgannus]

Easy 11? Even if the song is easy for you doesn't mean it's an easy 11. In other words, do you find it easier than Xuxa, Charlene, Utopia, and Robotix?

Destiny seemed really hard for me the first few times I played it, but now that I have some footspeed it seems to just go by smoothly. I will FC this soon. Just because I find Destiny easy though does not mean it's the easiest 11.

Anyways, end rant. Pandemonium Hard is really tiring......of course so is Monolith
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Summer is as much of a 12 as PSMO is a 9.

[GotACoolName]

Though I'm working on 12s, I kind of skipped 11s. I've only passed sevens 11s. ~_~ But from my current experience, I'd say the songs rank in this order, from easiest to hardest:

1. Utopia
2. Charlene
3. Infection
4. Robotix
5. Clockwork Genesis
6. Xuxa
7. Destiny
8. Mythology
9. The Beginning
10. Hardcore Symphony
11. Monolith

I have no experience with Pandemonium Hard or VerTex² Hard, so I can't speak for them.
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[#Infinity]

[Boochypa]

The runs require hardly any movement, and I don't think there's a single candle step in any of them. The 3 note "drills" as you call them in the non-run parts are rarely drills and more often something like ULD which is exhausting. The long step-jump parts are easily the hardest parts of the song, and I find the short sections where you hold one arrow and hit the other 3 with the other foot (also seen in Liquid Moon expert) really difficult. I guess the short oasis-turns would be the easiest parts of the song, but they constitute like 3 seconds of it so I'm not counting them.
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[#Infinity]

[Synaesthesia]

To do most of HS's runs, you have to do little more than vibrate on the pad, changing arrows infrequently (and when you do, it's easy transitions like up to right or something). Candlesteps actually require your legs to move, and in this case, quickly.
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[#Infinity]

[GotACoolName]

The 16th runs are extremely easy compared to the ones in songs like Destiny and even Utopia. As said earlier, they require hardly any movement. The 8th streams are the hardest parts, with the Holds forcing you to constantly move your other foot to hit the other notes, and the step-jump-step-jump-step-jump parts that require a bunch of foot movement.
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[#Infinity]

I find the streams to be hard because they're extremely fast and still require some foot movement. Sure, the patterns are easy, but the song's bpm of 174 makes them hard to keep up with. It's not that I think they're the hardest parts of the song, as I can easily see how the jump sections are more difficult, but my point is that I really don't see how they can be easier than the "occasional" candle section. What do you see being more difficult, a long stream 16th stream at a blazing tempo, or a section with nothing but a bit of turning and some candles, which you can easily recover from during the 8th streams that dominate the section?
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[Synaesthesia]

When the 1/8th notes are going the hell everywhere too, it can be more tiring in the long run (especially if you alternate feet).
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[#Infinity]

[Boochypa]

[#Infinity]

Well, to sum it up, you're probably underestimating the runs a bit. I can see where you're coming from, since there are no candles, which makes it seem like they'd be easy, but with such a high tempo that hardly any other songs can match and have long runs (Destiny and Summer ~Speedy Mix~), even non-candle foot movements can be tricky. Sure, it looks like the streams would be easier because they don't move around the pad very much, but in my opinion, it can still be vastly difficult to move even one foot from one arrow to another when the song's scrolling up so fast. Sure, they have nothing on Destiny, but they're nontheless still hard to keep up with, and being unable to keep up with certain parts of the song is one of the biggest factors to passing. Why is Determinator one of the hardest 12's when it's by far the least tiring? Not even its death run has candles if I'm correct. What do you view as being harder, 8th streams with turning, or long runs with less-but-still-some movement? I'm shocked to hear that most people have that much trouble with turning (and perhaps that's why you thought Go 60 Go was too tiring to be the easiest 12).
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[Synaesthesia]

Go 60 Go is a lot more hellish on stamina to FA than to just pass.
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[Boochypa]

I still don't understand how you can say I'm "underestimating" the difficulty of something when I've played it many times. I'm not estimating it at all. I know exactly how hard each part of each song is for me. You think fast runs are hard, whether or not you have to move for them. I would guess that your opinion on that is in the minority.

[#Infinity]

[GotACoolName]

#Infinity, and everyone else who's arguing with him:

Stop arguing. #Infinity finds the 16th runs harder, and the other posters find the twisting 8ths harder. #Infinity's posts aren't going to cause anyone to think the runs are harder, and other people's posts aren't going to cause anyone to think the twists are harder.
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[Pēńġũīń™ ▶◀]

I think Pandemonium Hard is the hardest because I can pass bloodrush more consistently then it

[xcfrisco]

heh, exactly the same feelings as the poster above

Pandmonium(hard)= most difficult 11 to pass

now if we talk about FA and good scores......that's almost a different story (Pandemonium:hard is still difficult for me to score well on because its so damn tiring)