A Priori Synthetic Epistemology of 12-Block Stepcharts

raaawr dinosaurs · Basic Member Joined: 31 Aug 2005

Whilst I pondered Kant's categorical imperative yesterday a thought occurred to me; is it possible (let alone probable) to construct without a posteriori epistemic action (namely that of the Rationalist variety) a comprehensive theory of Difficulty for those high concentrations of notes that cause our ad hoc theory of stepchart analysis (Kant, The Prolegomena to Any Future Eighth-Notes, 1783) to falter? Or rather, is a posteriori experience the only avenue by which we can, ex post facto, come to synthetic knowledge of teleological designs? Is a deontological system of ethics that mandates this defensible? Discuss.

"Besides, this science cannot be of great and formidable prolixity, because it has not to do with objects of difficulty, the variety of which is inexhaustible, but merely with Difficulty herself and her problems; problems which arise out of her own bosom, and are not proposed to her by the nature of outward things, but by her own nature." - Immanuel Kant

J. S. Mill · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:14 pm Post subject:

Honestly, nobody lock this until I have about five days to prepare an answer.
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MJEmirzian · Roxor Staff Joined: 02 Jan 2003

You're asking whether you can ever figure out the particular difficulties and design purposes of a 12 rank chart without having played it and experienced it yourself, then ask whether it's ethical to have to play through these charts in order to gain that knowledge.

The answer: you're a gimp.

p.s. they're called half-notes

Agent J · Trick Member Joined: 29 Feb 2004 Location: Dimension X

A priori, a posteriori, and epistemology? Dammit, I thought I was done with philosophy when I finished that course this past May! Hmm, this isn't the first time I've seen someone on these forums try to get all philosophical with rhythm games before. Are there people who do this with fighting games or driving games? o_O

PedanticOmbudsman · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:04 am Post subject:

The correct word is "epistemic"?!

But all these years I've been saying "epistemological"...

God, I feel so stupid.
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FujiFlame · Trick Member Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Location: Orlando, FL

What?

Thomas Hobbes · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:03 pm Post subject:

Wow, I am amazed by peoples' grasp of the English language here. O:
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PARANOiA -Respect- · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:31 pm Post subject:

you lost me around "Whilst"

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Karl Popper · Trick Member Joined: 03 Mar 2005

Excellent topic. I also need more time to consider this, but here are my initial thoughts:

An empirical approach is clearly the most applicable to the subject. There is no pragmatic reason to resort to a priori reasoning, except to anticipate the effect of the release of new and innovative stepchart designs on the tournament community. As a strict ITG Rationalist I think it is possible to come to a specific conclusion via comparison to prior experience with other similar charts, provided that one proceeds with caution and takes his or her own specific strengths and weaknesses into account. Of course most 12+ block charts are substantially different, which limits the scope of said reasoning considerably. Let's not forget about the people who thought Pandemonium Expert would be easy before they actually attempted it

But if one is careful it should be possible to derive at least a general sense of a chart's difficulty.

As for the deontological aspect of your thesis: I think that if we accept the Serious Business Axiom then it is indeed defensible. Of course it isn't if we don't accept that postulate, but anyone who does not would have no interest in this discussion anyway

Good question though, I had never realized how our current ethical framework is so lacking.

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Graviteh · Trick Member Joined: 28 Jul 2005

That first post is obviously not In the Groove. You can't just have a stepchart and have it finalized without prior playtesting.
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t3h 3d · Trick Member Joined: 17 Jun 2004

That was horrible man, that paragraph made me feel like a complete idiot. I honestly don't have the slightest clue of that he's talking about.

arnoct · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject:

huh

You lost me at "Whilst".
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PARANOiA -Respect- · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:54 pm Post subject:

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J. S. Mill · Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject:

I haven't had enough time to consider yet, but do you consider it canonical that epistemic judgements, even woefully inadequate ones, contain an element of deontological ethics? I think I know your answer will be yes, and I can see that from Kant's work, but just let me hear it from you.
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Reenee · Trick Member Joined: 21 Nov 2003

Requesting to counter the thread with bad grammar.

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