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[Loogaroo]

This ranks right up with EA's exclusivity deal with the NFL as one of most bone-headed moves in the industry as far as PR is concerned. They haven't made an arcade DDR mix in two and a half years, their American counterparts have been all but apathetic about fans of the DDR series as evidenced by an incredibly mediocre console version of DDR Extreme, and now they swoop in when another company uses their cabinet for their own game - something that's been happening since the dawn of arcade gaming, mind you - and try to squash them.

I don't even care if they have a legal basis for the suit. All this is going to generate is animosity towards Konami from the people that they would pretty much rely on if they want to keep the DDR series afloat here. So far, there have been exactly two people coming out and supporting Konami's side of this whole thing. Everyone else is pissed. Good companies don't piss of their customers en masse.
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[Gerk]

I know I'm not the only one patiently waiting for the world to explode as a result of this court battle.
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[Gamer X]

I hear alot of people saying that this has nothing to do with the home version but it does!

Think about it people, the timing of the lawsuit is right before ITG console game is released. I think (just guessing) only 40% of the people here has played ITG in the arcades cause not too many carry the game. Now of those that don't carry ITG they more than likely have DDR EX so whats the best way to get EVERYBODY to play your game.....wait for it.......MAKE A HOME VERSION! Everybody here either lives near a videogame store or orders online (hell how many of you pre-ordered this game anyway). Now you just made a demand for ITG2 thats coming around the corner and more arcades will by them and even replace old DDR EX games with it or take them out completely. Konami is not dumb, they know what they are doing. Now lets the legal heads figure this thing out cause I think we're going to be in for along ride.
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[cfusionpm]

i quoted it cuz its basically the same thing ive been saying since i first heard about itg. i'm personally laughing my ass off while i can sit back and think "i told you so" too. itg is a decently good game, i'll give em that, but i saw this comming a mile away.
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[Thomas Hobbes]

Blargh, I feel that Konami has all the right to sue Roxor. In fact, I'm betting that they'll win. If not, Roxor finds a way to deal with Konami outside of the court and pays royalties.

It's Konami's intellectual property. They hold the patent for the "dancing arrow game that grades you on how accurate you are in time with music". That's what got them money, and it has especially done so in the United States. They make money off of the console versions, as they have a monopoly on it.

Their profits are being endangered due to the home release of ITG. It's an oppurtune moment for them to retaliate, yet I assume they don't want to deal with releasing another arcade versions as "it's over", right? They can just sue, and hopefully Roxor will die because it's not that big of a corporation/company yet. They have Tux Racer, ITG, and soon ITG2. ITG and ITG2 probably make the most money, or will in the case of ITG2.

I feel Konami has utmost right to protect their patents and intellectual property.
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[Chilly Cha Cha]

FYI all -

If any documents in th e case get posted, they wll be available at http://www.txed.uscourts.gov/frci.htm which is the "Frequently Requested Cases" section of the official website for the Federal District Court for the Eastern District of Texas - http://www.txed.uscourts.gov. The Eastern District Federal Courthouse is located in Beaumont, Texas. Oddly it seems to have several intellectual property cases there based on the frequently requested page - although I am not sure as to how that number matches up with other Federal District courts. On the other hand - the Southern District of New York (Manhattan) has a ton of IP cases all the time - so take it for what it's worth. In any event, I find it curious that the lawsuit was filed in the Eastern District. By the way - in Federal Court, a lawsuit (usually a "summons" and "complaint" initiate a lawsuit) is filed first with the Court, and then it is served on the defendant (must be within 120 days after filing) - therefore, Roxor may not even have possession of the complaint against them yet. I am curious as to why Konami chose the Eastern District of Texas - I will have to do some poking around to figure that one out.

28 USC 1404:

(a) A civil action wherein jurisdiction is founded only on
diversity of citizenship may, except as otherwise provided by law,
be brought only in (1) a judicial district where any defendant
resides, if all defendants reside in the same State, (2) a judicial
district in which a substantial part of the events or omissions
giving rise to the claim occurred, or a substantial part of
property that is the subject of the action is situated, or (3) a
judicial district in which any defendant is subject to personal
jurisdiction at the time the action is commenced, if there is no
district in which the action may otherwise be brought.
(b) A civil action wherein jurisdiction is not founded solely on
diversity of citizenship may, except as otherwise provided by law,
be brought only in (1) a judicial district where any defendant
resides, if all defendants reside in the same State, (2) a judicial
district in which a substantial part of the events or omissions
giving rise to the claim occurred, or a substantial part of
property that is the subject of the action is situated, or (3) a
judicial district in which any defendant may be found, if there is
no district in which the action may otherwise be brought.
(c) For purposes of venue under this chapter, a defendant that is
a corporation shall be deemed to reside in any judicial district in
which it is subject to personal jurisdiction at the time the action
is commenced. In a State which has more than one judicial district
and in which a defendant that is a corporation is subject to
personal jurisdiction at the time an action is commenced, such
corporation shall be deemed to reside in any district in that State
within which its contacts would be sufficient to subject it to
personal jurisdiction if that district were a separate State, and,
if there is no such district, the corporation shall be deemed to
reside in the district within which it has the most significant
contacts.

Basically what the above means is that Roxor and or production of ITG must have some connection to Eastern Texas...

Ahha! from the official Roxor Website contact information...

Roxor Games
7793 Burnet Rd., Suite 143
Austin, TX 78757

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[Tsuri]

Well whatever... anyhow if Konami has that much of a problem with another company placing something else in their machine they should make something new to go into them... or at least make a DECENT home mix again. DIE KONAMI! ROXOR FOREVER!

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Congrats to all my pals at DDRFreak for their shout-out in the Court Documents!
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[pumahawk]

i'm 2 sided about this, but maybe it's cuz i've never played itg (idaho doesn't have it, to my knowledge)

if this does work for konami, it just means they're gonna get pushed more and more by ppl to come out with another mix

if RoXoR wins, then i will have a chance to play itg!

i guess in a way, i'd be happier if RoXoR wins, and then konami comes out with another mix newayz, so more ddr-itg-ness for everyone! **just my 2 cents**
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[sfetaz]

I would like to point out to everyone who says that most machines in America are illegal. Having a DDR Mix from Japan in this country does not violate a government criminal law. SELLING a bootleg version of a game does. Owning a version and using it for public display violates copyright and patent ownership. So when an arcade owns a bootleg DDR Extreme, they are violating the copyrights of the artists and the properties of Konami. If those artists and Konami says nothing about the issue, ITS NOT ILLEGAL. In this country a perfect example is bootleg watches. You never really saw arrests in Chinatown of NYC for the fake watches until Movado Corporation started making some noise. Then the police, on the request of Movado, starting investigating and making arrests. A law or intelectual property means nothing if not enforced by the people who created it. If the government says speeding is a crime, and do not give you a ticket for speeding, are you going to be in court for speeding? If a company makes a video game that is copied and distributed, and the company says nothing of it, who is going to sue you for doing this?

BTW one last thing, regarding the timing of this, lets not forget that Konami USED to be different subsidiaries around the world. Last month all divisions became one company. So when people say its Konami Computer Entertainment of Japan who made Extreme Arcade or Konami Computer Entertainment of Europe who made Fushion, now officially it is no longer the case. All games that come from any part of Konami in this world all are the exact same company, now known as Konami Corporation.

[sherl0k]

Reading the court documents...

ITG just got served.
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