Trouble in Groove-land

Falling/Fading/LostItAll · Trick Member Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Location: The Wired

I'm not taking any side here, I'm just asking a question.

What is Konami losing by allowing ITG to exist in the <arcades>? Home version, I understand. But I thought Konami isn't making any more DDRcade versions?

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orb · Trick Member Joined: 20 Nov 2002

Maybe the Roxor folks are in trouble because of modifying the DDR arcade cabinet... perhaps they wouldn't fret if they developed their own cabinet (such as the ITG2 one).... heh.

However, THIS IS ANGER-INDUCING.

If Konami actually destroys ITG (which I hope does not happen), they had better make another arcade mix... otherwise they are just being arrogant. I mean, they haven't released USA arcade mixes in years, so who are they to demand ITG to be removed?

Just a thought; I may be wrong.

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sherl0k · Maniac Member Joined: 27 Jan 2002 Location: the internet

Well I'm sure that Konami has had this in plan for a while, it's not like the day after ITG got released they had an army of lawyers and tons of evidence, ready to go to court. They probably wanted to prepare everything before actually taking legal action.
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T-Bone.. · Trick Member Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Location: i love itg

so konami is just doing this cus of the cabinets, or the actual game itself......

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sherl0k · Maniac Member Joined: 27 Jan 2002 Location: the internet

Just because of the cabinet.

And Caffy, Konami is free to sue whenever they want.

Sure it could've been planned in conjunction with ITG2 coming around the corner, but this could actually HELP Roxor. Think of it this way. This injunction goes through, and Roxor can't sell ITG2 upgrade cabinets. The only way to get ITG2 is to buy a brand new cabinet. Now if I were Roxor, and I knew that selling the game with the cabinet was more profitable, I'd be pretty happy about that. If arcade owners were that hell-bent on getting ITG2, they'd splurge on buying the new cabinet.
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Justican · Trick Member Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Location: UK

Ill have to do another post to emphisise this point. This is NOT a cease and dissist action, therefore the effect of future development isnt directly affected. If this lawsuit pass, it just means that ITG wont be able to upgrade the exsisting DDR legitimate cabinets (so they wont sell them anymore) or a pay royalties and then be able to upgrade the cabinets (the royalties going towards to inventors pockets, not just konami in general).

Therefore, this will in no way effect the release of any PS2 versions or new ITG cabinets...........well not at the moment, perhaps konami might come up with something else.
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LET ME SHOW YOU THEM · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 3:22 pm Post subject:

I know, but that sucks for us semi poor early 20 somethings hoping to get a 1k upgrade to our existing boxor, because unless i start working those street corners hardcore, i don't have 10k on me haha.
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Alezay · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject:

I don't think Konami really cares about North America or DDR Cabinets at all, all they want is to exploit a supposed patent infringment, get the money (which is all they really want) and be out, running like scolded dogs with their tails between their legs IMO. Konami has lost every ounce of respect from me anyways.
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orb · Trick Member Joined: 20 Nov 2002

Common sense says that Konami is well aware that there are a ton of illegal DDR arcade games in the U.S. - and they haven't taken any drastic measures to stop this. If they profit, they profit....?

Well, now that they seem to have suspended or entierly stopped making DDR arcade mixes (for Japan or the U.S.), Konami only makes themselves look selfish by suing over something that they're not even making money on. ITG is an example of how DDR fans have improved upon DDR's best aspects and added many new challenges, etc. to the game.

Furthermore, Konami doesn't "officially" state that it knows about the large number of illegal DDR arcade games in the U.S.; the press release about the lawsuit on Konami's website makes it seem that the legal U.S. DDR machines (like DDR USA) are responsible for all the hype about DDR. Which we know is not really true at all (at least, not nowadays).

Rather than sue Roxor, Konami should release a new arcade DDR mix for the U.S. Because Konami doesn't recognize Non-U.S. DDR games in U.S. arcades (such as DDRMAX, DDRMAX2, DDR Extreme, etc.), they technically haven't released a new DDR arcade mix in years... way before DDR Extreme was released in Japanese arcades.

This is utterly, for the lack of a better word, stupid, in principle. Konami is just being idle and isn't profiting much, if at all, anymore, from U.S. DDR games, so why should they be so stubborn to get Roxor out of the scene? Most typical dancing game players associate the genre of music dancing simulation games with DDR anyway. Putting Roxor out of business would only anger the fans. Such a move could be considered Konami shooting themselves in the foot as well.

I hope the whole thing is canceled. ITG for PS2 is coming out soon, and ITG2 is also coming out soon; the horizon is (was) bright. Let it remain bright.

sherl0k · Maniac Member Joined: 27 Jan 2002 Location: the internet

Yeah, they don't care about North America so much that the console versions of DDR are some of the hottest sellers for them.

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sfetaz · Vivid Member Joined: 02 May 2002

I do not think anyone should jump to conclusions until more details of this injuction are released. We do not know what specifically Konami is suing about at this moment.

Based on what I see and know, the best possible outcome out of this is Roxor settles out of court (which they will have to do to avoid lengthy and costly legal battles against konami's million dollar lawyers) and that they come out with a settlement that Roxor continues to make arcade games under the DDR umbrella and both companies work together. The home version market cannot survive without the arcade, I know this firsthand. So Konami needs to protect what they have in this country regardless of how it got here. Having Roxor do all the work for them to keep the arcades coming, and helping them in the process, I see as the best that can come out of this for all parties.

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EvilDave219 · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject:

I imagine if Konami does try to delay ITG for the PS2, this would greatly upset RedOctane, since they are publishing the game. And since RO is the number one DDR pad seller, that could spell even more trouble for Konami....
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