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RainbowsAtNight
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40.  Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry for using too many of the smilies if it is annoying. I guess it's habit.
Anyhow, I agree that Roxor rising might be good for us as consumers. I'm definately going to buy ITG for PS2. I'd like it if they came together.. Unlikely, I know. But I think it'd be great to choose at the starting screen "ITG or DDR". Also sorry if I kind of bashed ITG.. It just takes some getting used to and I don't like the songs as much.
Long live dancing games!... And DDR freak! ^-^ |
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| 41. Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| [RTFAQ] SPIEK wrote: | | Are you trying to say that the ITG coverage is gone? Because it isn't. http://itg.ddrfreak.com still works. The machine locations in that section are for ITG, not DDR. |
No that's not what I'm trying to say. I'm just saying that instead of showing up as itg.ddrfreak its showing up as ddrfreak.com again. I could care less about the ITG coverage... I just don't want the name DDR Freak to be changed.
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:Draigun
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| 42. Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hopefully people will keep going to itgfreak.com. :\
*More comments..but don't feel like posting them.*
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Daniel
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| 43. Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Screw The Arcade |
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| Catastrophe wrote: | | Daniel wrote: | | Konami has no immediate plans to make a new serious arcade mix so we can't stay focused on DDR anymore. |
The arcade is not the center of the video game universe. (anymore)
Dance games are more commonly played at home than in the arcade. |
Without arcades video games aren't worth playing. Yes I am aware that Konami still makes home versions of DDR for the Asian market. But it's not too expensive for Konami to make these versions, so they are made as almost an after thought. For DDR Extreme JP PS2, all they did was a simple port job with certain songs removed. For DDR Festival, all they did was make a Japanese version of DDR Extreme US PS2 with a different song list.
What's really going on is that DDR (or any other 4 panel dance game) is doomed to eventually be phased out by much more accessible Bemani games. Home versions of DDR are still being made in Japan, but the rhythm games that the Japanese play are IIDX, Pop'n, GF and DM. These games are much easier to pick up and play and it takes a long time for the players to get so good at the game that it becomes too hard.
This website is going to become a DDR/ITG hybrid site, so we now have to devote a large amount of resources to the arcade phenomenon. ITG is being made for the arcade first. There is also a sequel being planned, with the cabinets being made by Andamiro. Face it, arcades comes first.
And please don't bring up the nonexistent renaissance of Ultramix 1 & 2 of X-Box live. Without the danger of losing to somebody in person, and the thrill of looking at your defeated opponent in the face - there is absolutely no reason to compete and improve your skills. If you want DDR/ITG in your area to degenerate into a stupid arrow smashing game that dorks occassionly play online, fine. But the game we play in my area is a social event which includes tournaments with live participants. I know you are trying to focus on a more national level, but it's no excuse because you can make a difference in your local community instead. |
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Spike
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| 44. Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Without arcades video games aren't worth playing. |
I assume you're talking about the music genre only, and even then that statement is questionable.
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Uiru
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| 45. Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Screw The Arcade |
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| Catastrophe wrote: | | No. They aren't continuing anything. First, ITG is it's own game. You're doing the developers a disservice by saying that they're merely following in DDR's footsteps. They want to be different. |
Oh, come on. Pump is different. ITG is not. ITG was born from, designed around, and reliant on hardware provided by DDR. If the developers wanted to be different, they'd have developed their own game, instead of copying someone else's.
StepMania is a (or at least started as a) DDR simulator. ITG is StepMania. This isn't difficult logic.
~Uiru
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Ryu_Hirakashi
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| 46. Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Catastrophe wrote: | The arcade is not the center of the video game universe. (anymore)
Dance games are more commonly played at home than in the arcade. |
I'm sorry, but I have to totally disagree with that statement. I've NEVER respected the home version after DDR USA. They are nothing but cheap alternatives to playing the AC versions.
I truly believe that video gaming is for the arcade enviornment. I hate that this country as lost sight of that, but it can't be helped. Over the last 3 and 1/2 years I've had plenty of good times playing in the arcade.
I like the social aspect of playing games in the arcade. Unfortunately, I don't have any friends so playing with people on the console isn't an option for me.
In closing, I'd rather perpetually spend money to play in the arcade than to pay once for an inferior product.
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Ryu_Hirakashi
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| 47. Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Screw The Arcade |
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| Daniel wrote: | | Catastrophe wrote: | | Daniel wrote: | | Konami has no immediate plans to make a new serious arcade mix so we can't stay focused on DDR anymore. |
The arcade is not the center of the video game universe. (anymore)
Dance games are more commonly played at home than in the arcade. |
Without arcades video games aren't worth playing. Yes I am aware that Konami still makes home versions of DDR for the Asian market. But it's not too expensive for Konami to make these versions, so they are made as almost an after thought. For DDR Extreme JP PS2, all they did was a simple port job with certain songs removed. For DDR Festival, all they did was make a Japanese version of DDR Extreme US PS2 with a different song list.
What's really going on is that DDR (or any other 4 panel dance game) is doomed to eventually be phased out by much more accessible Bemani games. Home versions of DDR are still being made in Japan, but the rhythm games that the Japanese play are IIDX, Pop'n, GF and DM. These games are much easier to pick up and play and it takes a long time for the players to get so good at the game that it becomes too hard.
This website is going to become a DDR/ITG hybrid site, so we now have to devote a large amount of resources to the arcade phenomenon. ITG is being made for the arcade first. There is also a sequel being planned, with the cabinets being made by Andamiro. Face it, arcades comes first.
And please don't bring up the nonexistent renaissance of Ultramix 1 & 2 of X-Box live. Without the danger of losing to somebody in person, and the thrill of looking at your defeated opponent in the face - there is absolutely no reason to compete and improve your skills. If you want DDR/ITG in your area to degenerate into a stupid arrow smashing game that dorks occassionly play online, fine. But the game we play in my area is a social event which includes tournaments with live participants. I know you are trying to focus on a more national level, but it's no excuse because you can make a difference in your local community instead. |
Daniel, you always did make the best arguments. Keep up the good work. 
At least someone knows the truth!!!
Hirakashi Ryu
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Spike
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| 48. Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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Well that's you. But clearly the majority of people do not agree with you because arcade business is dwindling while home sales are not.
And what do you expect from home games? "OMG THEY ARE NOT THE EQUIVALENT OF A $5K MACHINE." Well of course they aren't. Who would buy that?
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Also, don't quote a huge post just to say "I agree" especially when it's right after you post.
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Without the danger of losing to somebody in person, and the thrill of looking at your defeated opponent in the face - there is absolutely no reason to compete and improve your skills. |
Hey look, an opinion. Why do so many people play Counter Strike when they can't see their opponent's face?
By the way, what danger is there to losing to someone in person? Maybe if you take the game way too seriously. But if someone is better than me and kicks my ass...whoo who cares?
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What's really going on is that DDR (or any other 4 panel dance game) is doomed to eventually be phased out by much more accessible Bemani games. |
Yeah, and outside of places like California or New York, DDR is more accessible than other Bemani games. And Japan != USA.
| Quote: | | If you want DDR/ITG in your area to degenerate into a stupid arrow smashing game that dorks occassionly play online, fine. But the game we play in my area is a social event which includes tournaments with live participants. |
Aah, and here it is. "You and I have different views on what DDR is...but mine is right."
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Catastrophe
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| 49. Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:25 am Post subject: Re: Screw The Arcade |
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| Daniel wrote: | | Without arcades video games aren't worth playing. |
The millions of console players in the United States all disagree with you. How many copies of these games have sold recently: GTA (any), Halo 2, Smash Bros, ESPN/Madden anything, Metal Gear Solid, Windwaker, Ratchet & Clank, Pokemon whatever, and Resident Evil 4? A ton. These are all games that are unplayable in the arcade format! There are so many genres that you can't reach in the arcade! You can't play RPGs or any long adventure game in the arcade, for example.
But arcade-style games, like Gradius V, are playable at home. There isn't any arcade game out there that can't come home with the right peripheral. DDR is proof of this. It's true that you lose the whole deluxe-ness of an arcade machine, but the game is still worth playing. And you don't have to lose the arcade community when you play at home, either. For example, if Tokyo game Action didn't exist then I'd probably be playing my IIDX home versions more often and I'd definitely be more active on VJArmy. (I frequently play GF/DM V and IIDX RED at Tokyo Game Action.)
| Quote: | | And please don't bring up the nonexistent renaissance of Ultramix 1 & 2 of X-Box live. Without the danger of losing to somebody in person, and the thrill of looking at your defeated opponent in the face - there is absolutely no reason to compete and improve your skills. |
Do you seriously get a thrill out of watching people lose? What if your opponent is a good sport and they say "Oh, darn. I lost, You're awsome at this game!" with smile on their face? That is the spirit of competition. Which brings me back to VJArmy. Last week I accomplished my goal of beating someone named Xythar in a DJ battle (go look it up). I've never met the guy (girl?), but I do know that he's better than me at IIDX. VJArmy's rankings say so. And it took me a really long time to score 5000 DJ points on singles play. Right now my score of 5266 is ranked 80th out of over 400 users. And that's an accomplishment. Now my goal is 6500 DJ points, which would put me even higher up, except I have to take into account other people improving their scores as well. Compare this kind of competition to the competition that I might recieve on a local level. The people on VJA are so much better than I am. Hence, I'm competing with them and not the local n00bs that I've introduced to the game.
| Quote: | | But the game we play in my area is a social event which includes tournaments with live participants. I know you are trying to focus on a more national level, but it's no excuse because you can make a difference in your local community instead. |
You had better believe that I make a difference in my community! Konami hadn't even started making DDR games for this country yet when I was getting my friends hooked on it. Back in 2000 when DDR was 'gay', and nobody knew that it was the most innovative excercise machine of the decade, who stuck up for the game and insisted that it was fun? Me, and lots of other people. Who supported the first expensive arcade imports so that more arcades in my area would be willing to get it? I've played in so many tournaments (and I won my last one!) that I can only remember the ones that I have pictures of. I encourage even complete newbs to at least attend competitive video game events, specifically for the social aspect of it. I've hooked new players of every music game that I've played. I've run a DDR tournament and several casual DDR nights at my college, too. But guess what - I use home versions for those because that's what my classmates are playing back in their dorms. And the history is repeating itself with IIDX. Sometimes I've carried my console around so that I can show the game to people. I frequently make 1 hour drives down to RI to go support Tokyo Game Action, because they have the arcade version. And I support the game on every forum I read, too. My rhythm-game community involves just about everyone that I've ever met! And I'm not anti-social either!
You seem to be excluding everyone who doesn't play in the arcade. You're flat out wrong to do this because you're telling the millions of DDR-at-home players, who would never visit ddrfreak, that they don't count. Obviously they do count. |
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VxJasonxV
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| 50. Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| Ryu_Hirakashi wrote: | I truly believe that video gaming is for the arcade enviornment. I hate that this country as lost sight of that, but it can't be helped. Over the last 3 and 1/2 years I've had plenty of good times playing in the arcade.
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In closing, I'd rather perpetually spend money to play in the arcade than to pay once for an inferior product. |
F-Zero (what was it, AX?) for the arcade.
That sums up the home vs. arcade quite nicely in my opinion.
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| 51. Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:04 am Post subject: |
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Cutriss
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| 52. Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| VxJasonxV wrote: | F-Zero (what was it, GX?) for the arcade.
That sums up the home vs. arcade quite nicely in my opinion. |
Not really sure where you're going with that, but it was F-Zero AX in the arcade and F-Zero GX for the GameCube.
And don't forget Mario Kart GP coming soon.
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The Game II
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| 53. Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Well, I guess you can't stay totally focused on DDR, especially with home versions being it as far as new releases. Can't stay complacent.
Good move by you guys/girls to include ITG in your focus.
--GCII
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John is OLD SCHOOL
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| 54. Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Isn't this why there's ITGFreak? I know that it's not that popular, but neither was DDRFreak when it first started.
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Spike
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| 55. Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| IcyCool wrote: | | Isn't this why there's ITGFreak? I know that it's not that popular, but neither was DDRFreak when it first started. |
So we're not allowed to cover a game just because they are?
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Thanks for your worthless comment. I don't see the point of making comments like this at all. We're not stopping coverage of your precious DDR.
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VxJasonxV
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| 56. Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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My point with F-Zero AX was.
1 dollar. 6 tracks total. 2 bucks if you wanted a card.
You could play the entire game roughly 5 times for the cost of the gamecube version, which has MANY more tracks/features/etc., some of which are even unlocked by the arcade machine.
There are some games that are better in the arcade (shooters imo, pinball games, and most racers [F-Zero AX not included  ]), but certainly not all of them.
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Cutriss
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| 57. Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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IIRC, linking with the GC version unlocked more arcade tracks, and some were play/time unlocked as well.
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| 58. Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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crap...I hope that the original style of gameplay will still be usable. I don't want to have to start on beginner all over again just because of handplants.
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Cutriss
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| 59. Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Hands/Quads can be disabled, just like No Freezes in DDR.
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