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Yojimbo! Trick Member


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140. Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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Know what...ITG kinda...Isn't the best name. But, no one cares. I want to play!!!!!! |
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SaeNoDa Trick Member

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141. Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:19 am Post subject: |
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I think it's hilarious that just because it isn't DDR, people say, "OMG it sucks!" "It's a ddr ripoff!" OK, WTF. If Konami isn't going to make anymore dancing games, and we want to continue playing new songs, with new steps, and new modes, why wouldn't someone else step in to take the reigns.
In The Groove rekindled my love for dancing games. I LOVE In the Groove. I am a tech player and In The Groove totally caters to tech players. All the things we've ever wanted to see in DDR, we have. And it was made BY DDR players. I hope it takes off because I would love to see people viewing ITG like they would DDR.
BTW, Keel (the guy who created 'Utopia') is a friend of ours who did the sound on ITG, and he's AMAZING... and has like 40 heavy DOUBLES AAAs . _________________
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diddrstrait Trick Member

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142. Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 7:11 am Post subject: |
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FINALLY!!! someone decided to come up with something that doesn't suck!
the greatest flaw I've seen with home versions of DDR (especially MAX2) is that the song selection is deviod of anything interesting. It's sad to see DDR going out that way, and ITG will be a welcomed alternative to such poor games.
the biggest suggestion I can offer is to keep it fresh. if you should get to a 2nd and 3rd mix or beyond, don't start just remixing the hard songs from other mixes...go ahead and write a new damn song. Take PARANOiA, for instance. The only remixes of that that actually sound decent (to me at least) are respect and Max club another. I don't even like the steps to either. would it have been so much harder to write a different song at 145bpm and slap the steps to PSMoni on it? I don't think so. but whatever, you get my point (hopefully).
overall design and presentation are looking good from the pics I've seen. keep it up. song selection is looking good, too, but I agree with CaptainCanada who said there should be some easy freestyle type steps and maybe some songs with a funky/disco feel.
again, keep up the good work :0) |
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Aesir Trick Member

Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM |
143. Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Know what? This looks.... sweeter then all heck.
Not speaking for the rest of my community, Roxor can come and gut our Extreme machine ANY time. This has some serious potential, no doubt.
And why would Konami bother to sue them? They don't give a crap about America, they no longer give a crap about DDR, why would they care about an American DDR knock-off (albeit a GOOD knock off).
But I think we need the answer to the real question thats burning on everyone's minds: If this is Stepmania (sorta), will it have Toasty? |
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Neon Kel Trick Member

Joined: 01 Mar 2002 Location: Diamond Bar, CA |
144. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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And when will i see an ITG machine here in so cali?  _________________
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BemaniFreak488 Trick Member

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145. Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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When SO CAL arcade owners decide to buy one.  |
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DizzyBum Trick Member


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146. Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:09 am Post subject: |
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sTrAiT wrote: | Take PARANOiA, for instance. The only remixes of that that actually sound decent (to me at least) are respect and Max club another. |
AHEM. KCET Clean Mix. _________________
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Yojimbo! Trick Member


Joined: 20 Oct 2003 Location: Tyler, Texas |
147. Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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DDR Freak should add ITG to the list of Bemani games to search for in machine search I think.
We should buy the rights to DDR and continue it here! |
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zero2dash Trick Member


Joined: 18 Jan 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO USA |
148. Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Forgive me for not humoring fans of this game.
It looks stupid... DDR + Windows XP + Stepmania + a DDR cabinet and mat. Yay!
It sounds stupid... "We're not doing anything illegal, we've got a new game it uses music with 4 arrow directions in a machine that another company designed and owns the rights to, we have our own gui and our own music, you follow the music and step on a mat just like the other game with the same directions as the other game and you are graded accordingly. We have a marathon mode which seemingly is similar to something called "nonstop", we've got 4 different difficulties for our songs just like them..." etc. etc. et al do I really need to go on here?
But it's NOT illegal. <says the dev>
The ideas are stupid. Three arrows at once? Yes! Primate rituals at last! Two feet on the floor, slap your hands down too. w00t! *Smell the innovation* Sorry folks, there's NO originality to see here. Other than the primate ritual hand slapping. And that's not originality. It's stupidity.
They're blatantly ripping off DDR. Period.
This is a joke. A seriously demented joke of a game. I could care less if ten years from now there's never a new DDR game and this is the only thing left...I'll never play it. And that'll never happen.
A) Konami's cash cow, worldwide, is DDR. Out of Bemani, DDR is numero uno. They're not going to kill off DDR. Ever. EvAr! It'd be like Miyamoto saying he's killing off Mario, Link, and Samus. Capcom's never doing another Street Fighter game. etc. Ludicrous.
DDR will never end and it will never cease to exist. I keep seeing people claiming this and that about Konami Japan is gone, no more arcade DDR being developed. All up to Konami USA. *ppffft* Whatever. BS. SNK USA "closed up shop" a few years ago; they still cranked out games. A year or two later, they reopened.
DDR is not "over". Extreme WILL NOT be the last DDR game. I will not believe it until Konami themselves come out and say it, and they never have and they never will because it ain't gonna happen. People read too far into this "We're starting over!" "Thank you for playing!" "Why do you need Konami Originals?" crap. Sheesh.
B) This game will not be around in 10 years. Believe that. If their "lawyers" know what's good for them they'll tell them to shut down shop now before they're sent upstate for breaking copyright law and ignoring patent law. On top of that, what arcade franchise in their right mind will give an ounce of time to a team of nobody's who have never manufactured an arcade machine in their entire lives? None. Mom and pop chains might buy this garbage up, but I'll be damned if I ever see it at a Tilt.
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CHROMEDOME Trick Member


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149. Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:04 am Post subject: |
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So what...your just going to play extreme for the rest of your life or be like "man theres no more DDR i guess I'll just quit cuz I already played like Xenon like 900 times" ITG has a lot of possiblity for groth and to continue the game of DDR. Every DDR cabinet in america(except for USA mix) are illegal and Konami cant do anything about that...so roxor or anyone else can do anything to an Extreme cabinet. THe only place Konami makes money off DDR(arcade) is japan, and from what I hear DDR isn't so hot in japan. All the mixes here are bootleg anyways...STFU _________________
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Kyran Trick Member

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150. Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:40 am Post subject: |
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You can't write a review for ITG until you've seen it and played it... at least try to get you're facts straight if you do. So what if it's a blatant rip-off of DDR? Even the development team agrees, that's exactly what it is. But who cares? Don't you want to see more difficulty, and new elements added to the DDR gameplay (especially now that the series is facing its end)? Just think of it as another DDR game if you want, but either way ITG has lots more "innovation" than could be expected from a new DDR anyway. zero2dash wrote: | A) Konami's cash cow, worldwide, is DDR. Out of Bemani, DDR is numero uno. They're not going to kill off DDR. Ever. EvAr! It'd be like Miyamoto saying he's killing off Mario, Link, and Samus. Capcom's never doing another Street Fighter game. etc. Ludicrous.
DDR will never end and it will never cease to exist. I keep seeing people claiming this and that about Konami Japan is gone, no more arcade DDR being developed. DDR is not "over". Extreme WILL NOT be the last DDR game. I will not believe it until Konami themselves come out and say it, and they never have and they never will because it ain't gonna happen. | Wrong. Once again, get your facts straight. |
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Tomo_kun Trick Member

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151. Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Ehh, pop'n music and IIDX is Konamis "cash cow" _________________
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Daniel Trick Member

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152. Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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There is no official announcement of wether and/or when the next DDR game will be released. However it is unlikely a new DDR game will ever be released sooner than 2006. Konami failed to make money off of DDR in the USA other than making crappy home versions. Since everybody in Japan plays IIDX and other musical games instead Konami is going with those games. If you are not going to play In The Groove you should seriously consider starting a console gathering and play IIDX and not play DDR. |
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Cheez Trick Member

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153. Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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zero2dash wrote: |
It looks stupid... DDR + Windows XP + Stepmania + a DDR cabinet and mat. Yay!
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It runs on linux, and is based off the stepmania, it isn't stepmania
zero2dash wrote: | It sounds stupid... "We're not doing anything illegal, we've got a new game it uses music with 4 arrow directions in a machine that another company designed and owns the rights to, we have our own gui and our own music, you follow the music and step on a mat just like the other game with the same directions as the other game and you are graded accordingly. We have a marathon mode which seemingly is similar to something called "nonstop", we've got 4 different difficulties for our songs just like them..." etc. etc. et al do I really need to go on here?
But it's NOT illegal. <says the dev>  |
I refer to a post from Brother Mojo from the ITG forums:
Brother Mojo wrote: | They aren't stealing art. They aren't stealing sound. They aren't stealing music. They aren't stealing the name.
So, we have a game that has the same concept. Step on four arrows to music.
People keep bringing up "Konami sued Andamiro for PiU." Well, nobody seems to mention that Konami lost. Shinnpatent newsletter. "The patent court decided that a game machine by Andamiro 'Pump it up' doesn't infringe a design patent right of DDR of Japanese Konami."
Okay. So they use the opposite arrows. Other than that, they're the same game with new songs. Hell, PiU even uses "Perfect Great Good Boo Miss," if I remember correctly. There's something where PiU is more similar to DDR than ItG is.
Also, I again bring up the idea that King of Fighters = Street Fighter with two less buttons. The characters are different, the sound is different, the art is different, but the game concept is the same. Pound on your opponent with punches and kicks until their life meter runs out. "KoF has two less buttons! And it has supers!"
The art is different, the music is different, the sound is different. Stomp on four buttons to the beat of music until the song is over. "ItG has more than arrows at once! And it has mines!" |
zero2dash wrote: | The ideas are stupid. Three arrows at once? Yes! Primate rituals at last! Two feet on the floor, slap your hands down too. w00t! *Smell the innovation* Sorry folks, there's NO originality to see here. Other than the primate ritual hand slapping. And that's not originality. It's stupidity. |
You're right, it isn't original; PIU did it first. People seem to love or hate this feature, and a lot of the hate is just from having to hit weak sensors hard with your hands.
zero2dash wrote: | A) Konami's cash cow, worldwide, is DDR. Out of Bemani, DDR is numero uno. They're not going to kill off DDR. Ever. EvAr! It'd be like Miyamoto saying he's killing off Mario, Link, and Samus. Capcom's never doing another Street Fighter game. etc. Ludicrous.
DDR will never end and it will never cease to exist. I keep seeing people claiming this and that about Konami Japan is gone, no more arcade DDR being developed. All up to Konami USA. *ppffft* Whatever. BS. SNK USA "closed up shop" a few years ago; they still cranked out games. A year or two later, they reopened.
DDR is not "over". Extreme WILL NOT be the last DDR game. I will not believe it until Konami themselves come out and say it, and they never have and they never will because it ain't gonna happen. People read too far into this "We're starting over!" "Thank you for playing!" "Why do you need Konami Originals?" crap. Sheesh. |
Like EndOfTomo said, IIDX and PnM are Konami's cash cows. I think even GF/DM are above DDR in Japan. DDR is more or less dead. Other than the occasional console release of DDR, Konami doesn't give a crap about the US as far as Bemani is concerned. If I'm not mistaken, they did have a press release saying they were putting DDR on hiatus...like KBM... |
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BigBoi Trick Member

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154. Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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This is officially the ghettoist piece of crap EVER!!!
and you know, it makes me love it ALL that much more... I would really love to try this game... and I'm not kidding either. Good luck with this. _________________
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zero2dash Trick Member


Joined: 18 Jan 2004 Location: St. Louis, MO USA |
155. Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Kyrandian wrote: | You can't write a review for ITG until you've seen it and played it... at least try to get you're facts straight if you do. |
What facts of mine aren't straight? Please, tell me, I'm really wondering. I fully admit I haven't played it; I doubt I ever will because I doubt the game will ever get big enough to appear in the Midwest where I live at.
And I may be (probably am) wrong about DDR being the main income for the Bemani series, I admit that too but then again I'm basing this off what I see in America only; I've never been to Japan (yet) and obviously there's more Bemani machines and diversity in Japan arcades than the US has.
Daniel wrote: | There is no official announcement of wether and/or when the next DDR game will be released. However it is unlikely a new DDR game will ever be released sooner than 2006. Konami failed to make money off of DDR in the USA other than making crappy home versions. Since everybody in Japan plays IIDX and other musical games instead Konami is going with those games. If you are not going to play In The Groove you should seriously consider starting a console gathering and play IIDX and not play DDR. |
I have never seen anything from Konami saying whether they did or did not make money off DDR in the US. Considering that they've released...what...6 mixes now total? (DDRUSA, Konamix, Disney, Max, Max2, Ultramix) obviously they're making something if they're continuing to come out with newer versions. Plus Extreme on the way too...that's 7 mixes (if my numbers are correct, I thought I heard that Disney came out but I'm not 100% sure on that one).
As for IIDX I'm planning on buying an official controller plus 6th Style once I get the money even though I've never played Beatmania...ever in my life. I'm still interested though 'cause it sounds really cool.
Cheez wrote: | It runs on linux, and is based off the stepmania, it isn't stepmania |
What I was trying to say was that they took the elements of DDR/Stepmania, stuck a new skin on it, took the arrow options from Stepmania (mines, tornado etc) and they're releasing it as a new product. I know it runs on Debian Linux; they've said so on their forums.
Cheez wrote: | You're right, it isn't original; PIU did it first. |
My mistake, I forgot about the three hits on Pump. So...then by that measure, ITG stole elements of Pump as well. Ehh...not lookin' too original now.
Anyway ~ I digress. Obviously people will get excited about this game, sorry if I'm not. I'd rather keep playing Konami mixes rather than play this.
edited to take out flamebait, I apologize, but I still don't think KOF is similar to SF  _________________
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foyboy21 Roxor Staff

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156. Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:50 am Post subject: |
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FACTS
Mines and many other featurs/options were made by the ITG team and then back ported to Step mania. You seem to think that they were made in step mania and intagrated into ITG.
This is not the first arcade game this company has made.
Franchises have already contacted employees of the ITG team with express intrest.
It does not run on windows.
It is legal
False "we've got 4 different difficulties for our songs just like them"
DDR currently has 5 difficulites (not that I care, but you sure get a lot of facts wrong).
False "Believe that. If their "lawyers" know what's good for them they'll tell them to shut down shop now before they're sent upstate for breaking copyright law and ignoring patent law."
JESUS have you even studied the specific patents here and do you have any idea which one(s) ITG has bought?!! You clearly don't have a clue what is going on behind the scenes, not that you should, but you sure seem to spout off like you do.
You state your opinon of what you like as fact and not opinion. Some people like triples and quads, others don't (you have the optionto turn them off). "It sounds stupid" WHICH SONGS sound stupid? I would bet that you would like a lot higher % of the songs in ITG than DDR. "It looks stupid" so you have played it then or are you just saying that from a 12 fps video? "The Ideas are stupid" clearly you don't like hitting more than 2 arrows at once (assuming you have even tried on say PiU) but what other "ideas" are stupid?
MY OPINION
ITG is simply way more FUN than DDR. I have played DDR since the beginning, hell I even competed against J Dog during the 1st mix days when he showed us his slide routine on Am3P. I have loved DDR very much and never thought I would get tired of it. MUCH to my suprise, after playing a lot of ITG I then went back to DDR and no longer liked it. WHY? Because I had so much more fun on ITG that DDR now seems boring.
More importantly ITG is about making the dance game live on, it's not a giant coperation going for the big buck, but rather a company that not only talks to the public about what they wan't in a game but actually goes ahead and implements many things the public askes for. If you could actually come up with something you don't like about the game or something you would rather see, then TELL THEM and they will change it or add/subtract from the game.
OR
You could just sit there and piss and moan about what you don't like, then proceed to not get any new dance games for the arcade. |
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zero2dash Trick Member


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157. Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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foyboy21 wrote: | FACTS
Mines and many other featurs/options were made by the ITG team and then back ported to Step mania. You seem to think that they were made in step mania and intagrated into ITG. |
I saw mines in early alphas (7/8) of Stepmania, and I'm only hearing about ITG now, when alpha 16 is out. So I guess ITG has been in development for a good year and I never heard about it...?
foyboy21 wrote: | This is not the first arcade game this company has made. |
I've never seen any arcade games made by Roxorgames; I've seen 3 listed on their website ie. "In development". Have they released any arcade games before because I've never seen one here in the midwest.
foyboy21 wrote: | Franchises have already contacted employees of the ITG team with express intrest. |
I wish them luck then.
foyboy21 wrote: | It does not run on windows. |
I clarified this in my last post; I know it runs on Debian Linux.
foyboy21 wrote: | It is legal |
Ok, let's call a spade a spade, eh? It may be legal, however it's certainly stretching the laws then. I'm no law student nor do I know the laws as it pertains to copyright infringement.
foyboy21 wrote: | False "we've got 4 different difficulties for our songs just like them"
DDR currently has 5 difficulites (not that I care, but you sure get a lot of facts wrong). |
Sorry, I forgot about Beginner.
foyboy21 wrote: | False "Believe that. If their "lawyers" know what's good for them they'll tell them to shut down shop now before they're sent upstate for breaking copyright law and ignoring patent law."
JESUS have you even studied the specific patents here and do you have any idea which one(s) ITG has bought?!! You clearly don't have a clue what is going on behind the scenes, not that you should, but you sure seem to spout off like you do. |
I only know what Roxorgames has said about the legalities of the game and that's nothing.
foyboy21 wrote: | You state your opinon of what you like as fact and not opinion. Some people like triples and quads, others don't (you have the optionto turn them off). "It sounds stupid" WHICH SONGS sound stupid? I would bet that you would like a lot higher % of the songs in ITG than DDR. "It looks stupid" so you have played it then or are you just saying that from a 12 fps video? "The Ideas are stupid" clearly you don't like hitting more than 2 arrows at once (assuming you have even tried on say PiU) but what other "ideas" are stupid? |
Like it's already been said the game looks ghetto; that's where my main issue comes from. Maybe when it's released it won't look like a hack DDR mix.
foyboy21 wrote: | MY OPINION
ITG is simply way more FUN than DDR. I have played DDR since the beginning, hell I even competed against J Dog during the 1st mix days when he showed us his slide routine on Am3P. I have loved DDR very much and never thought I would get tired of it. MUCH to my suprise, after playing a lot of ITG I then went back to DDR and no longer liked it. WHY? Because I had so much more fun on ITG that DDR now seems boring.
More importantly ITG is about making the dance game live on, it's not a giant coperation going for the big buck, but rather a company that not only talks to the public about what they wan't in a game but actually goes ahead and implements many things the public askes for. If you could actually come up with something you don't like about the game or something you would rather see, then TELL THEM and they will change it or add/subtract from the game.
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You could just sit there and piss and moan about what you don't like, then proceed to not get any new dance games for the arcade. |
If I see ITG someday and it looks interesting enough I'll play it. For now, everything I've been told about/read about the game, all the pictures I've seen, the songlist, etc. I think it looks dumb. That's my opinion. _________________
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foyboy21 Roxor Staff

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158. Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I saw mines in early alphas (7/8) of Stepmania, and I'm only hearing about ITG now, when alpha 16 is out. So I guess ITG has been in development for a good year and I never heard about it...?
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Quote: | Have they released any arcade games before because I've never seen one here in the midwest |
Yes
I must say the post you just made seems much more legitamate and not flame bate like the one of yours I first replied to. I have no problem with your most recent post even if your opinions are the exact oppisite of mine. Anything specific come to mind about the apperance of the game that you like the least (i.e. what you would want chaned the most)?. |
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zero2dash Trick Member


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159. Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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foyboy21 wrote: | I must say the post you just made seems much more legitamate and not flame bate like the one of yours I first replied to. I have no problem with your most recent post even if your opinions are the exact oppisite of mine. Anything specific come to mind about the apperance of the game that you like the least (i.e. what you would want chaned the most)?. |
I guess that just my real problem with the game is that it's being compared to, or sorta trying to be there in place of DDR. Not that this is a bad thing; I guess I'll admit it and say I'm a hypocrite 'cause I like playing PIU but here I am complaining about ITG. So, I'm sure I look like a dufus because of this but oh well
If I see ITG here in St. Louis, I will definitely give it a fair shot and try it out before passing final judgement. I truthfully would like to see the game in person, I admit that, at least to see what the fuss is about. I believe everyone when they say that DDR players are having a hand in creating ITG ~ I'm sure it wouldn't be done any other way. I'm sure ITG will be easily accessible on both the east and west coast, I just hope it makes it to my neck of the woods. Although honestly, St. Louis is one of the bigger cities of the Midwest so hopefully someone in my area will get ITG.
I guess I'm talking out of my arse when it comes to laws and whatnot 'cause like I said, I don't know anything truthfully when it comes to the laws in question and whether they are or are not being broken. It's sorta a hard pill to swallow to hear Konami cutting off DDR and another company picking up the reigns that I've never heard of before, but then again like I said, I'd rather have some people who have played DDR before having a major part of creating the game because obviously that means that they're not going to let the game suck and they're going to work hard to make it have songs that are good and stepcharts that work good as well.
I do also admit that I'm guilty as charged by looking at the videos and thinking it's junk but like you mentioned (and I now notice) the framerate of the vids isn't the best so it's not really the game's fault...
Anyway though, like I said, if I get a chance to play the game I'll certainly give it a shot (probably a couple)...and admittedly I'm sure I'll like it 'cause it'll be something new to play if nothing else.
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